Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby eagle » Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:56 am

I recently finished this book, and I am a little reluctant to post it, since it is not strictly a golf instruction book. It is however a book that explores how extremely skillful people, whether the be golfers, soccer , baseball, or basketball players, scientists, musicians, business men,etc ...get that way.

The author has visited several "hotbeds" of talent...a tennis club in Russia, a town in Brazil(soccer),an island in the Caribbean( baseball), music schools....and he proposes several common denominators. He goes as far as giving scienific explanation as to what s happening when we develop any skill ( myelination of neuronal circuits in out brains).

Not surprisingly, the key early ingredient is what the calls "ignition"...he explores how this happens. It can be instantaneous or a long process. We would know this as the firing of passion that gets you interested and keeps you going in your quest to improve. By virtue of being students ,almost all of us must have this quality I suspect. While not mentioned in the book., we have heard how Nick Faldo watched Jack Nicklaus win a Masters on TV, and at that moment decided to channel his energy into becoming a great golfer. He was ignited.

He also discusses the "deep practice" that must occur over time....and it is a bunch ( 10,00 hours). With this must come proper coaching, and he uses John Wooden(UCLA basketball) and others as examples of great coaches and how they work their magic.

I scarcely read a page without thinking of Lag's course.....in fact, it is uncanny how many parallels there are. From what I have seen, Coyle could have written a chapter on ABS. Early on Coyle discusses the development of a flight simulator to train pilots....this so much reminded me of the "Lag Bag" and the benefits we get. The shanty town appearance of many hotbeds .....and our homemade military duffle bags in cold musty basements, our buying 50 year old clubs on eBay "for the price of a haircut"(Lag). The analysis of Woodens' coaching......"do this, not this , do this" is so much like Lag's fine tuning of our module work.

I suppose we all harbor the hope that we are on the path that will lead to big improvements....time will tell. There are other books and articles out there that explore this process of skill development...."Talent is Over-rated", "Outliers" , and "The Art of Learning" are some of them. In some ways, many may already know or have an inkling about this subject. This book will crystallize and support those thoughts and feelings. This book gives a very plausible explanation of what is happening as you develops skills.....it will add fuel to your fire!! You will look at the world differently.
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby eagle » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:05 am

also...

mention was made of "Futsal"....which is like soccer, with a smaller ball, fewer palyers, smaller court. The author suggests it is an ingredient in developing world class soccer skills, and unlike basketball, requires much less coaching intervention....because the playing does the teaching. And the faster pace creates much more interaction/learning than regular soccer.

Again, this brings to mind the Lag Bag/ module drills...which itself is a sort of "combination" training device........is is an aid that does a lot of the teaching itself, offers tons of encounters, without the potential discouragement that accompanies bad ball flight , .......but with the added benefit of Lag's coaching...."tightening the tolerances".

I am a relative "new boy" to ABS. I would be interested if those farther along than I in the modules can confirm or deny their perception of these similarities as they proceed through the course.
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby Addington Arnie » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:13 pm

Great posts Eagle. I have not read the book though the 10,000 hours thing seems to pop up everwhere at the mo. I'm definitely tempted to spend my Xmas book voucher on this - sounds interesting. In similar but perhaps slightly more philospohical vein I really enjoyed this that I read over the holiday season:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Sport-Tells-About-Life/dp/0141031859

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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby Styles » Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:43 am

The 10,000 hours has been questioned of late.

I know a guy who has talked about it so will email him to see if he'll shed light.

Had the 'talent code' recommended to me as well by John Richardson who especially liked the deep practice concept (when he first talked about it to me, I reminded him how Gary Player did a similar thing by refusing to stop practicing his bunker shots till he had holed a certain amount).

In my opinion, there is little 'new' in these books, most of them say the same thing, (lots of) perfect practice makes perfect.

I received the 'whole brain' book yesterday, am reading something else just now but will probably begin it later this week.
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby bentshaft » Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:58 am

I just wish it was hitting 10,000 golf balls
and not 10,000 hours...
I am getting too old!! :D
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby eagle » Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:31 pm

Styles wrote:The 10,000 hours has been questioned of late.

I know a guy who has talked about it so will email him to see if he'll shed light.

Had the 'talent code' recommended to me as well by John Richardson who especially liked the deep practice concept (when he first talked about it to me, I reminded him how Gary Player did a similar thing by refusing to stop practicing his bunker shots till he had holed a certain amount).

In my opinion, there is little 'new' in these books, most of them say the same thing, (lots of) perfect practice makes perfect.

I received the 'whole brain' book yesterday, am reading something else just now but will probably begin it later this week.


You're right...10,000 hours can't be a hard and fast rule ( I hope not at my age!). And look at Larry Nelson(posted by Two on the Greg Norman mod 2 thread)...he was "tour good" in just three years.

Maybe his "baseball circuits" were useful to him...like Sam Byrd. Alos, he must have been a gritty competitor, considering his Ryder Cup record.

The Whole Brain book talks extensively about the "myelination of the circuits" ..."Talent " calls it "turning alleyways into super-highways" so it'll be interesting to hear your take on that.
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby eagle » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:54 am

wabi__sabi recently pointed out that Coyle has a blog. Having read several of his blog posts, it is clear these are a fine extension and amplification of the principles in his book.

Here's the link to all of his blog posts:
http://thetalentcode.com/all-posts/

Here's an awesome example, entertaining and inspiring:
http://thetalentcode.com/2009/04/23/dec ... ill-biker/
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby eagle » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:22 am

Daniel Coyle took the summer off, but is back and has some new posts on his blog, which is a good supplement to his book The Talent Code.

In Jan 2010 I wrote:
I scarcely read a page without thinking of Lag's course.....in fact, it is uncanny how many parallels there are.


It still seems true. Reading his periodic blogs helps maintain motivation.

http://thetalentcode.com/
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby eagle » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:47 pm

Good one today...and it's golf related.

http://thetalentcode.com/
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Re: Daniel Coyle. The Talent Code

Postby eagle » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:37 am

Another..
http://thetalentcode.com/2011/12/22/the ... /#comments

Coyle makes an interesting point, and we can relate:

Two of our kids go to a Montessori school, whose founder coined a terrific term: “enchantment with materials.” This refers to the relationship between a learner and the physical elements of the environment – the blocks, the violin, the tennis ball, the pencil and paper. Those things – those simple, everyday objects – are seen as magical, worthy of reverence and care. (Think about what you’re good at, and your relationship with those materials.) The enchantment powers the process – it’s the fuel tank, that keeps someone coming back, experimenting, playing, doing what Dryden so eloquently describes – creating their skill.


Look at our love of our games' physical elements...from clubs to shoes to balls to the courses we play. And we break each down to tiny building blocks. eg..clubs...dead weight, balance, materials,lie, flex,grip...on and on, as well as how each affects the game dynamically and inter-relatedly. We've got that part down!
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