Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby lagpressure » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:53 am



So the point here is to get the lower body moving laterally toward the target while the backswing is still going back into a FULL rotation.
This is quite different than the Snead squat, which is much easier for most to implement.

However, this kind of action is just a total assault on the golf ball.

What is interesting is that when the club finally changes direction, it picks up speed very quickly with no effort from the arms or hands at all. You can get
almost down to P3 with no effort from the arms or hands... and also very little effort from the torso rotation.
The torso moves some, but it's almost a relaxed motion... or a relief from the pressure that was created from the opposing forces pitted against one another from upper to lower body. Once the left leg catches the fall, you can just hit as hard as you want with everything.
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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby lagpressure » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:46 am



With street shoes on a golf mat, you can see the right foot give out from the ground pressures with the clockwise rotation of the shoe.
The previous video shows the fall, and this video shows the push off the right foot that initiates the fall. As long as the hips are moving left laterally,
there is very little weight on the left foot. The spine tilt opens up a clear pathway for the hands and arms to slot into P3 never getting stuck. The 4:30 line is like a 4 lane freeway with no traffic.
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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby stevemcgee99 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:32 pm

I was at John's house on that mat a couple weeks ago, and was shown this, tried it with his coaching.

My experience was that the club automatically fired very fast, and that I would not be able to stop it. Very committing to drop backwards like that.

Totally awkward to try to set it up and go slowly. I have video of myself trying it and it looks like I'm trying to swing left-handed. But when I was on the mat and tried the slot thing followed by de-weighting the left foot (I actively raised it off the ground) I very quickly whipped around.

In hindsight, it was like in a raft on a rapid - a big bounce will launch you from the raft. But you dig in with the paddle to pull water, and that keeps you seated securely in the raft. So it's like the fall down is counteracted by the swing and impact with the ball in some sense. At least that is kind of what it felt like.

Of course I can't do this on the golf course. I'm relating the story to validate the fact that this is teachable and learnable. And I'm nothing close to a natural at golf.
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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby lagpressure » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:55 pm

Steve, you are correct, you can't do this in slow motion, because at slow speeds, the forces and pressures don't exist.
In this case, it is better to practice this at full speed or even push beyond what would be full speed per the individual.

As far as being a natural golfer, I have yet to meet one! :lol:
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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby Range Rat » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:33 pm

Not sure if this is on ABS site....what a look!!......how much paint was supposed to be in those dimples. :lol:
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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby lagpressure » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:08 pm

Here is a pretty good look at a couple of fine crafted persimmon drivers.
At first I thought I should take up smoking cigarettes, but then I noticed a couple things
about Hogan's driver. Very thick cord grip and you can see the step pattern clearly in the photo,
and how that is not a typical driver shaft in the club....neither is Palmer's. Those are extended iron shafts stuck
into drivers. Pole shafts.

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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby nfbandon » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:38 am

The most interesting thing to me is how high the ball is teed.
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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby Range Rat » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:10 pm

A good still picture that goes along with a swing imagery idea on Hogan within the ABS Vault.
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Rats have a hard time stopping and leaving things as they are, so added a few frames further in the video and here's the shoulder action after I giffed it up. :o 8-)
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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby Range Rat » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:34 pm

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Re: Thoughts on Ben Hogan

Postby lagpressure » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:31 pm

CNN short documentary on Hogan. Don't remember if this was previously posted here.. but if not, here it is.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2015/05/07/spc-living-golf-ben-hogan-c.cnn
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