Count Yogi

Re: Count Yogi

Postby eagle » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:47 am

twomasters wrote:OK.....so I have heard some internet rumours about Count Yogi....how he was the 'greatest' golfer ever..... yet until someone on Iseek mentioned him in a trivia question about 18 months ago, I had never heard of the guy.
I found his 'bio' online......it sounds a little far fetched to me (attached below)......surely if he was that good he would have done more than win a few events with 'pro-am' title names attached to them. Especially the last one that he almost never scored above 69 as a professional......I am assuming this is a huge exaggeration on someone's behalf especially playing in the Hogan, Snead, Nelson era.....

So does anyone know with absolute fact that this bio is anywhere near believable? 4 or 5 scores in the 50's with a best score of 55 which included two hole in ones in a row on a par 3 and a par 4....and 55 hole in ones...267 scores of par or better in 273 straight rounds....59 on a par 74...416 yard hole-in-one....scored 69 or better in almost :?: every professional round...... surely Hans Christian Anderson wrote this biography fact page

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I also found a video of him (apparently it is Yogi)....giving a 'street lesson'........very strange but fun anyhow to watch.....especially the follow thru :oops: :?:



Just thought some may have never heard of him either.....and I was the ultimate golf historian junkie growing up....His name appeared on a cartoon with Boo-Boo, but not in any golf books I ever read....this has to be someone stretching the truth for their own benefit in some way , shape or form


This is interesting, and it would be great if someone could verify at least some of the scoring claims. The fact that Lag saw him in person, and was impressed carries some clout. They say there is often some basis for fairy tales and fables.

From my view ( a 7-8 handicapper/ hacker), here's what I see in the two videos posted.
His demeanor is not what I would expect of someone who had been homeless...he seems upbeat, positive, charming, even noble.
He has a precise, maybe even obsessive routine.
The pre-impact lines on his training mat remind me a little of the 4:30 line, though not quite 4:30.
The post -impact lines go straight to the target...reminiscent of Trevino's intention to keep the clubface on line as long as possible. Also, module 3 comes to mind.
These gave him the very imporatnt square clubface at impact.
His precise pre-shot routine incorporates him saying "STOP", making me think he is switching gears, going from pre-shot to execution. Similar to what Carey Mumford describes in his Clear Key process.
His swing looks very good to my eyes, with admirable pivot, and leg action. His right elbow is in close at impact.
In the video he says "perfect...and later bodily perfect "( even though he was slightly off balance). This reminds me of Moe. Apparently Moe said he was perfect even if the shot wasn't...sort of a self-hypnosis or postive self-talk.
What John(Lag) saw in person tells me that the Count must have had great skill, at least good-great golf fundamentals, and seeing these videos says he had developed his skills into habits that he could reliably turn on at will to produce great shots and "stunts." He also seems to have a personality (noble, charming, showman) to capitalize on his skill.
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby CaptainChaos » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:37 am

astro wrote:CaptainChaos,

Thanks for the reply. I admire this discussion board from afar as a reader. Full of great stuff.

Thanks again.


No problem...and with a name like "astro" - I figured you probably were watching from outside the Van Allen radiation belt. ;)

It is a great place, isn't it? A lot of experiences from all quarters of the globe, all walks of life, and meted out in a respectful manner. Unparalleled on the internet IMHO.

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Re: Count Yogi

Postby natep » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:28 am

Here's a video of Count Yogi playing a few holes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44tJL9ZNOYk

From what I have been able to ascertain, Count Yogi was not big on mechanics. He taught his students that the most important thing was to remain "boneless and muscleless", and to swing as gracefully as possible in perfect balance. He advocated a subconscious approach to the golf swing, stating that he controlled the clubhead with his mind. He also advocated a very light grip, stating that you just touch the grip with your fingers, not squeeze it.

One day I was struggling with my game during a round, and it was so hopeless I decided to scrap every thought in my mind and just focus on being boneless, muscleless, and as graceful as possible. A few holes later I hit one of the top 5 longest drives I've ever hit. There's surely something to what he's saying.
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby LipOut » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:04 pm

Neat video, thanks for posting. What amazes me about that drive is how little time he takes between addressing the ball and pulling the trigger to swing. It's almost like his swing has started before he has even stepped forwared into his stance. I mean his foot is barely planted and the club is going back. Truly no time for negative thoughts. Good find.
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby twomasters » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:09 pm

Nice video natep

Talk about setting the club and firing!!!!! He wasted little time...my kind of player...nice looking action too

I love how dapper the golfers were back in the day with their attire.... I like it
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby natep » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:12 pm

Yes, one of his big points was what he called his "infallible mental routine". He had the same preshot routine on every shot and as soon as he settled his right foot the swing started. It was something he did to help his subconscious control the swing instead of freezing over the ball with conscious swing thoughts.
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby eagle » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:10 pm

Nice video natep. As Two said...he looks nicely attired( hard to understand that he became homeless), and has good action. As Lipout said, I've never seen such a uninterrupted takeway from set-up. Was Moe this fast? I agree, this must have keep his conscious mind from interfering with his swing.

Where did you find this video...I had not seen it on youtube. What else do you know about Count Yogi?
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby robbo » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:18 pm

Very interesting video - thanks for posting that.

"Swing with Balance and Grace".... wasn't that his trademark phrase?

Why do I suspect Count Yogi was a classic case of the "duck on the water"? An effortless looking motion from the surface while underneath he's paddling like crazy!!!! I bet if he were wearing shorts you'd see some really powerful leg action.
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby natep » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:30 pm

I dont know a great deal about Count Yogi. What I learned I got from a guy who played a lot with Yogi during his later years in CA. There's also a chapter about him in George Peper's book "The Secret of Golf".

What I do know is that he stressed the mental side of the game, and not so much the mechanical side.

Fred Couples is a current day swing that most embodies his style.
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Re: Count Yogi

Postby littlealm » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:46 pm

Dave Stockton teaches subconscious putting. He says a person signs his name without thinking about it and if he did he would have a hard time dublicating it. Stockton says the same thing is true in golf.
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