How to draw or fade Trevino way

How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby tinman143 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:40 am

I thought this was interesting and would like to get opinions. I will try this on the range tomorrow. Happy and safe 4th!

02 Simplify draws and fades.

Jack Nicklaus liked to curve the ball by opening or closing the clubface at address. I never felt I was good enough to do it his way. I didn't like changing my swing path, either, which some guys do. There's only one really reliable way to curve the ball: Change your hand position at address. If you want to hit a draw, move your hands forward, toward the target, so they hide your left shoe when you look down. Make sure the clubface is square to the target, and then make your normal swing. When you get to impact, your hands will naturally be farther back than that exaggerated position they started in. When the hands move backward, the clubface closes. You don't have to do anything. To hit a fade, do the opposite: Set up with your hands back, behind the ball. At impact they'll be more forward, and the face slightly open.
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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby Rio NZ » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:46 am

How did you get on? I may give this a go sometime this week.
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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby NRG » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:00 am

Trevinos address positions might have affected what he did, but his post impact work seemed quite different.

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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby NRG » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:02 am

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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby Mulligan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:02 am

This is great! I finished Module 5, so I'm looking forward to learning more about the ABS way of shaping shots.
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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby RyanMB » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:08 pm

Thanks for posting those shots NRG, holders vs. flippers.

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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby lagpressure » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:53 am

Thanks for posting..

Guys into the later modules will see Mod 9 all over these two swings. We discuss this more sophisticated way of shaping the ball, and Trevino is textbook here.

But it's really not something most can just do until the prior ducks are lined up. Trevino's point on not wanting to change swing path is critical. It's exactly my feeling, and I didn't grasp this until my 3rd year on tour.
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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby Range Rat » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:29 am

Been going more Trevino open so I can arc it going back without getting too far off the target line, and a fellow rat fink gave me this article. I didn't find it in the Vault, or on the threads I briefly searched, so, from Golf Magazine, 79:


“There are probably as many different ways to draw and fade the ball, as there are tacos in Mexico I'm sure you've heard about many of them. Strong and weak grips. Opened and closed club faces. Inside and outside takeaways. Early and late releases. Light and tight grip pressures. But most of these methods are unreliable, particularly when you try to mix them up in your golf game.

My theory is that you should have one favorite shot, either a fade or a draw, and use it almost all the time. I favor the fade. But not an ordinary fade, with an open club face or weak grip or outside to inside swing. Those types are too fickle. One mistake in timing, one miscalculation and the fade you expected can become a blue dart into the left trees. No, I have my own technique, unlike anything you've heard of before. It has worked for me, and it can work for you. Even if you are a slicer, my technique will help you control your slice, and as a bonus, help you hit a draw, as well.

I almost always "push" the ball. That's the easy way to think of my fade, as a push/fade to the target. Very little can go wrong: Your wrists can't roll over and surprise you with a snap hook. You don't have to worry about releasing early or late, because, in effect, you don't release at all. And you don't need to fret about a "double cross" aiming left and hitting farther left by mistake. With my method, the ball drifts to the right every time.

To begin, make sure your shoulders, hips and feet line up to the left of your intended target with the shoulders slightly less open than the hips and feet. Aim the club face at the target, open to your body alignment.
Play the ball about one to two inches inside your left heel and start the club back along the target line. This will put the club on an inside path in relation to your body.

On the forward swing, shift your hips laterally toward the target and swing the club down on the target line, holding your release and keeping the club head on the target line well after impact. You should have the feeling of swinging very much inside-to-outside and in fact, you are.

"Inside out?" you might ask. "Doesn't that cause a draw?" Yes, it does, but only when your swing is inside out in relation to your target line. This swing is inside out in relation to the body alignment, but straight back to straight through in relation to the target line (see illustration). You won't draw the ball with this swing. If anything, you will contact the ball after the club has swung down and back to, the inside on the forward swing, thus putting a slight left to right spin on the ball .

So you have two big pluses here: First, you have an inside to outside attack in relation to your body. This is much more powerful than the outside-to inside swings that many amateurs use to fade the ball. Second, you have the club moving down the target line, producing either a straight ball or slight fade. You can't beat that combination.

Here's a trick that might help you understand this a little better. After you set up, imagine that there are three golf balls in front of the one you're about to hit (see illustration). For the fade, you want to hit through all four balls. This will force your right shoulder down rather than around on the downswing, with your arms extending toward the target on the follow through. Keep in mind that the right shoulder doesn't dip. That would cause fat shots. Instead, the shoulder simply swivels underneath the chin. As a result, you will hold your release, keep the club moving down the target line, and push the ball to the hole, with very little side spin.

I have, however, encountered one "problem" among people who have tried this method. They say to me, "Lee, when I swing your way, I hit the ball way to the right. I just tell them, "Aim farther left.” Don't open your stance more; just shift your entire orientation to the left. In other words, rather than aim the club face down the fairway or at the pin, aim it at an intermediate target more to the left and shift your body alignment farther to the left as well. There's no rule that says you have to aim down the middle. Line up for the trees on the left and push it down the fairway. It's easy, when you know for sure that you can hit the push/fade.

The beauty of the balls in a line image is that you can use it to draw the ball, too. For the right to left shot, line up your body parallel to the target line and aim your club face at an intermediate target to the right, to allow for the draw. Then, simply think of picking off the first ball in line, the real ball, without touching the three imaginary ones. This brings the right shoulder and club up quickly in the follow through, and whenever the club and shoulder move up, they go counterclockwise as well, which closes the club face. Result: a draw.

Try my method. You'll see how easy it is to fade and draw the ball. You'll always know where the ball is going. And in golf, there's no substitute for accuracy. I can vouch for that.

A key to hitting consistent, solid fades is to keep the right shoulder moving down under the chin through impact.”


Golf Mag, 12/79
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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby k2baloo » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:53 pm

^Thanks RR

Was in the store the other day hitting some shots and felt very Trevino-ish. Didn't hit any hooks and I was hitting a lot of shots.

The strange thing is, I was hitting some Ping Kasten-I woods, which appear to have closed clubfaces. But I couldn't turn those things over... I was just opening my stance up and hitting everything left-to-right.
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Re: How to draw or fade Trevino way

Postby lagpressure » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:07 pm

I almost always "push" the ball. That's the easy way to think of my fade, as a push/fade to the target. Very little can go wrong: Your wrists can't roll over and surprise you with a snap hook. You don't have to worry about releasing early or late, because, in effect, you don't release at all. And you don't need to fret about a "double cross" aiming left and hitting farther left by mistake. With my method, the ball drifts to the right every time.
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