Understanding Offset

Understanding Offset

Postby lagpressure » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:54 pm

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Thought I should "sticky" this pic for those confused about offset etc.
This is a typical of what we often start with, and how we try to finish off the bending to remove offset.

Offset was put into clubs by design to help band aid poor golf swings. While offset does lessen the damage of an OTT swing, it's wreaks havoc on a proper swing where the player is forced to over roll or hand throw the clubhead at the ball independent of true connective rotation.

Offset also tends to pork chop the divots rather than encourage a more linear strike through impact which sends the ball into a much more penetrating ball flight.

Removing offset also tends to bring the woods and irons more into harmony so the player can use the same swing and not have to have separate swings to deal with the differences between offset vs forward face progression in the woods.

No offset irons are really designed for a hard hitting action and firm shafts.
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby Rio NZ » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:24 pm

This maybe a bit off topic.

I just picked up a set of 99 Hogan Apex muscle backs. They're the newest/youngest set of Hogans I have and although I'm not sure of the entire specs they do appear to have a slight degree of offset.

Haven't had a chance to even strike a ball with them as yet but wondering if a classic type swing will still work with this type of club set up. Until I've had a chance to take them to have the lies flattened and the offset removed, could I compensate for those factors by say, flaring the club open slightly and maybe getting the toe a bit higher than usual?

Will def have them adjusted.

I'm just curious to know if I went for a casual game with someone who only had modern type clubs (and I didn't have mine with me), could I still use the swing I use with the old gear I have?

Thanks in adv,

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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby lagpressure » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:13 pm

The flatter you swing through impact.. the more critical it is to remove offset (if you are hitting)

With a slight bit of offset, I would not worry about it. As your swing improves, you might want to address the problem if you are missing a lot of shots out to the right.. or feel you have to do something awkward to square up the clubface.. like flick - roll the hands at the ball.. or come OTT.

What you don't want to have is big offset while using a flat hitting action.
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby Rio NZ » Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:14 pm

lagpressure wrote:The flatter you swing through impact.. the more critical it is to remove offset (if you are hitting)

With a slight bit of offset, I would not worry about it. As your swing improves, you might want to address the problem if you are missing a lot of shots out to the right.. or feel you have to do something awkward to square up the clubface.. like flick - roll the hands at the ball.. or come OTT.

What you don't want to have is big offset while using a flat hitting action.


Hey Lag, thanks for the response and good to know.

Much appreciated.
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby macs » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:13 pm

Hey Lag
can you please bump the method to remove offset here?
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby lagpressure » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:38 pm

Hard to detail exactly how to do it..
it's really an art form. You have to bend up high on the neck, then go back and bend low..
but it's more complex than that because I used angles also, and there is a way to set it in the vice.
Tricky stuff. I have found also that different machines require a different touch and feel to doing it.

But the basics are to bend weak from up high, then bend back strong from down low.
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby xsmith » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:22 pm

I was looking at my MP 14s, and it looks like the offset is just at the bottom of the hosel like it was done to decrease loft. Does decreasing loft create offset, or does putting in offset subsequently decrease loft. If so, then the loft is going to increase by quite a bit once the offset is removed.

I don't have a short hosel bending bar anyway, but I want to remove the offset from these clubs at some point.
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby lagpressure » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:52 am

Yes, that would be correct,
so this is why you have to do multiple bends and why longer necks make this a lot easier.
There are definitely a few little tricks to doing it correctly.
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby xsmith » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:18 am

I finally tried this on some FG 17s and it looks OK. Some better than others, but functional I believe. Curious to see how much difference it will be to hit.
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Re: Understanding Offset

Postby lagpressure » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:37 am

It will depend upon how you swing.

If you are steep and a bit OTT you'll hit a club with no offset worse. If you have a proper flat entry you'll hit it a lot better.
Clubs need to match the swing. While this seems obvious, what is not obvious is that poorly set up gear can imprison you into a golf swing that is far from optimal.

Setting your gear up first to advantageous impact dynamics is counter intuitive to how most would view the process.
It's a bit like driving a car with a manual transmission. You'll never learn if you only drive automatics.
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