I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby Ded2Journey » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:13 am

With some drivers moving closer to 61 degree lie angles (and less than a degree of adjustment), I'm at the end of my rope! I can't miss an iron/wedge, but I can never seem to get it off the tee consistently enough to capitalize. :oops: :evil: :x

I'd give anything for a flat (ABS Spec) driver...assuming competitive pricing of the modern driver ($3-700)

How about you guys...
1. If you could make it a reality, what lie angle/length would you play?
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby nfbandon » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:29 am

Are you sure it is the lie angle? You may not have the correct AOA. If you are hitting your irons well you are probably hitting down on them. With the driver you need to bottom right before impact. Maybe you need to look at ball position, tilt, etc... Frankly with a driver lie angle is less important since you are hitting the ball off a tee.
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby k2baloo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:37 am

Have you looked at Tom Wishon's stuff?

They have bendable hosels on their drivers. They can get it as low as 53-54 degrees lie. They'll hand select for loft and face angle if you need that as well. Also have two weight ports in the heads so they're easy to make heavy. Long story short, it's a very affordable way to make a modern driver flat and heavy. It's not ABS flat, but about as close as you can get.

As for the question, yes I'm fed up with the modern driver. So much so that I haven't even hit one in well over a year. The feel and ball flight is much better with persimmon. AND it better suits the courses I play. If I were to get a modern driver, I would make it with Wishon's driver head at about 55 degrees and weight added. Maybe play it at 44 inches. Would have FA .5-1 degree open.
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby lagpressure » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:31 am

The lie angles are way out of spec on modern drivers.
The lie angle is important. Everything is important.
Your clubs should not suddenly make a dramatic decrease in dead weight, especially as they get longer.

A lot of players can hit their irons decent, then they pull out a super long lightweight club that is extremely upright and the shaft is usually nothing
like their irons either.

This is the main reason no one can consistently keep the ball in the fairway, even the modern super golfers on tour.
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby Ded2Journey » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:32 am

Grady,

I'm absolutely sure it's the lie angle. I've had multiple trackman fittings. My AoA is near zeroed out, +/-.5°.
I still tend to hit liw snap hooks with my better swings...

K2,

I actually play a 44" Wishon 919 bent to 53.5 which actually caused the paint to crack.
I really appreciate the feedback, but I still believe that my driver is too upright.

Lag,

Thanks for the support! Based on your specs, I would assume a 50° lie angle in a 44" driver would be a good place to start... thoughts?
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby k2baloo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:12 am

The miss is a snap hook... Might need a more open face angle. At a driver's loft, opening the face is much, much more effective at combating a hook than flattening the lie angle. You're extremely limited in the case of modern drivers if you're looking for flatter than what you've already set up.
No idea you had a Wishon, thought you were playing some kind of Callaway last time you talked about it here. Best of luck!
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby lagpressure » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:17 am

Ded2Journey wrote:Grady,

Lag,

Thanks for the support! Based on your specs, I would assume a 50° lie angle in a 44" driver would be a good place to start... thoughts?


A 50 degree lie angle would be ideal.
The problem you are having is that your shaft is too loose. I could show you on a deflection board if we compared it to your 2 or 3 iron.
Loose shafts, mean hooks! :twisted:
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby nfbandon » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:16 am

Ded2Journey,

Shaft flex is probably the culprit, but I would have to see your swing to know for sure.
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby Range Rat » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:34 am

Actually I like my toaster as I age and the body slow down, but I still like my MT's and Jack Burke irons, so a little of a mix.

There is the story of Hogan hitting 3 balls from a fairway, or tee, and never hitting again and I wonder had he lived longer and had a beginning pumpkin head in his hands would he have stayed with hitting balls for a few more years.

When Jackie Burke was in his 70's he said, when referring to frying pans, that he didn't want technology helping him at all, but look at him now on the tee. The titanium monster.. :lol:
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Re: I'm fed up with the Modern Driver...how about you?

Postby Ded2Journey » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:52 am

Lag,

Thanks for the feedback!

Grady,

I'm using an 8.4 freq. Rome 888. 40T Carbon XX stiff long drive shaft, at 45". I've tried a few different shafts and it seems Torque ratings on the modern shafts make all the difference in the world for a hitter. Flex has little to no affect...

K2,

I totally agree, but I haven't gone down the road of testing this yet. I can feel it and understand the geometry/physics...but finding people with metal wood loft/lie adapters is almost impossible nowadays. I'll keep plugging away until I do, and I'll let you know how it goes. Question is though, why are most persimmons I see Toe in/slightly shut? Seems there is an inertia issue being addressed there...imho.

RR,

As always...much appreciated! Although I too love a well struck persimmon...the modern ball loves titanium. Since I'm still playing tournaments competitively, I too must succumb to the frying pan. I just want the best frying pan for ABS protocols...I can always bring the persimmon's to the range when necessary.
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