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Postby Go Low » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:40 pm

I'm not sure where to put this thread, so Lag if you want to move it somewhere else in the forum please do so.

Lag,

I think I recall reading [somewhere] that you might be working with one or more tour players to some extent. If so, can you reveal who these tour players are, which tour they play, and if you work with them face-to-face on their swing, and to what extent you work with them? I think it would be nice for your ABS students, as well as people that may be thinking of becoming ABS students (as well as those interested in your swing philosophy), to follow these players.

Also, I realize that accomplished players already playing on some tour (or having a plus or near-plus handicap) don't need the ABS Model drill training designed for handicap golfers, however I believe that tour players and plus handicap golfers could definitely benefit from you as a "personal" swing coach. In other words - I believe you have a lot to offer all golfers...including highly experienced and accomplished golfers and those seeking to become tour players. Which brings me to my main question - Are you (or would you be) interested in working as a personal swing coach with one or more tour players...if you aren't already doing so?
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby NYC Lagster » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:26 pm

Here's my interview with Al Barkow.

http://www.gothamgolfblog.com/2010/12/al-barkow.html

Enjoy
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby CaptainChaos » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:19 pm

Go Low wrote:...I think it would be nice for your ABS students, as well as people that may be thinking of becoming ABS students (as well as those interested in your swing philosophy), to follow these players.


Go Low,

Lag doesn't announce who he teaches anymore because...well, I took the "following the players" thing a little too far. Following...stalking. Pretty much interchangeable in my thesaurus. Silly laws. ;)

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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby robbo » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:21 pm

Go Low wrote:
Also, I realize that accomplished players already playing on some tour (or having a plus or near-plus handicap) don't need the ABS Model drill training designed for handicap golfers


I'm curious as to why you believe this?

IMO there are many players on tour that would struggle with the module work just as some of the "handicap golfers" do, particularly those with a CF-dumping motion they've perfected over time which seems to cover the majority of the tour. Lag has developed a system that allows anyone, anywhere, to jump in and learn the principles and the drills required to develop an ABS approach to hitting the ball. All they need is a computer, an email address, and a video camera. That's the beauty and the uniqueness of ABS.

Bradley Hughes (a 2-time Australian Masters champion) drills with the modules as do other professionals. I don't think Lag is feeding them any additional information than what's in the modules themselves other than a critique of their personal development as it relates to the module work, which is what he does with every student in the program.

I'm trying to picture Lag on the driving range at every tour stop, coddling some pampered tour pro, providing a critique of each and every shot. I just can't see it. :D

But then again I don't want to speak for Lag. ;)
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby Go Low » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:58 pm

CaptainChaos wrote:Go Low,

Lag doesn't announce who he teaches anymore because...well, I took the "following the players" thing a little too far. Following...stalking. Pretty much interchangeable in my thesaurus. Silly laws. ;)

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I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by you taking the "following the players thing too far" and your use of the word "stalking", and then "silly laws". Are you saying that you upset a tour player by trying to contact him/her or literally stalking the player where they became upset? What "laws"?
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby Go Low » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:56 pm

robbo wrote:
Go Low wrote:
Also, I realize that accomplished players already playing on some tour (or having a plus or near-plus handicap) don't need the ABS Model drill training designed for handicap golfers


I'm curious as to why you believe this?

IMO there are many players on tour that would struggle with the module work just as some of the "handicap golfers" do, particularly those with a CF-dumping motion they've perfected over time which seems to cover the majority of the tour. Lag has developed a system that allows anyone, anywhere, to jump in and learn the principles and the drills required to develop an ABS approach to hitting the ball. All they need is a computer, an email address, and a video camera. That's the beauty and the uniqueness of ABS.

Bradley Hughes (a 2-time Australian Masters champion) drills with the modules as do other professionals. I don't think Lag is feeding them any additional information than what's in the modules themselves other than a critique of their personal development as it relates to the module work, which is what he does with every student in the program.

I'm trying to picture Lag on the driving range at every tour stop, coddling some pampered tour pro, providing a critique of each and every shot. I just can't see it. :D

But then again I don't want to speak for Lag. ;)
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robbo,

I doubt very seriously any tour player would have a problem doing the Module drills very proficiently regardless of what type of swing they use. Certainly, if they wanted to change from a CF swing to more of a hitting swing they would likely want to do some drills to get an understanding...but, I'm sure they would go to the range and hit thousands upon thousands of balls to incorporate the changes instead of doing drills. We're talking about tour players that already play the game at the highest level and almost certainly understand almost all the facets of the golf swing, regardless of method or type. Also, since they are used to playing and practicing literally everyday they already have very strong golf muscles (pivots, legs, arms, and hands) and an impeccable sense of feel.

I just don't see an accomplished tour player having an Internet teacher or swing coach. Which is why I asked Lag the question. Don't get me wrong - I believe Lag's ABS Module drill training is great for handicap golfers to learn Lag's swing method, his philosophy about the swing, and the feels he conveys so beautifully to his students. And with that said, I think Lag would be a tremendous swing coach for tour players that liked his swing method and his fantastic communication skills. But...I don't see a tour player communicating with a teacher or swing coach over the Internet and not having real-time, face-to-face, 3-D interaction. Even the guys recently trying to get their tour card at Q-school are willing to pay big bucks and travel across country to better their skills. Botton line is - I sense that Lag could become a top swing coach "if" he wanted. I was just curious to learn if maybe that was something he wanted to do.
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby BomGolf222 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:43 pm

I just don't see an accomplished tour player having an Internet teacher or swing coach.


*Biting my tongue*
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby Go Low » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:48 pm

BomGolf222 wrote:
I just don't see an accomplished tour player having an Internet teacher or swing coach.


*Biting my tongue*


What (or who) is preventing you from sharing your thoughts? Is there some reason for secrecy pertaining to this subject?
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby BomGolf222 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:21 pm

I'm biting my tongue because you've made quite a few, let just say, 'inaccurate' assumptions in these few posts, and it's really not my place to call you on them, but alas...
Robbo gave you the name of a world class, multiple world event winner, etc. etc., and you somehow glossed over it and followed up with the line that I quoted in my 'biting my tongue' post. What do you consider 'accomplished'? And what is an 'internet' teacher? Would a person be more qualified if he/she worked at the local club and broke 80 twice in a year and then became a 'teaching' pro? And you somehow came to the conclusion that all Lag is teaching is beginner material to beginners. Why would you think that? I'm perplexed by how such an inaccurate conclusion somehow seems so 'obvious' to you.
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Re: Tour Player Swing Coach Opportunities For Lag

Postby lagpressure » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:42 pm

I think there are different ways of looking at things. Personally, if I were following the tour around and traveling, I would rather be playing on the tour than hanging around the driving range. I don't even like driving ranges actually because they don't represent golf as I like to play it across sidehill lies and actually shaping shots into fairways and greens where my actual round is on the line. When I am on the course, I take my game pretty seriously, in that I actually try to post a score. I played today with the goal of shooting my 4rth straight round in the 60's, but bogeyed 2 of the last four holes for a 71. I have to live with that now! :evil: I enjoy golf a lot these days, and I still enjoy being a student of the game.

As far as tour players, I have worked with quite a few.. some more extensively than others. I'm not sure what constitutes an official player - swing coach relationship these days, if it's a hand shake or a written contract. With the kind of money out there these days, I'm sure everything is done with attorneys and other legal council. Some of the guys I work with or have worked with are more participatory in the private side of this forum. There is an entire other parallel universe going on here at ABS that students are aware of. Some of the pros I have worked with are very open, others prefer more anonymity as they may likely have some kind of contractual arrangements with another instructor or organization. I'm here to help if needed, and not really concerned about what else is going on or who else they are working with.

Teachers taking credit for the success of tour players is another debatable topic. Who's to say it was the swing coach that led to a recent victory? Probably he just started putting well. Sam Randolph made the point in the last installment that nowadays players have 4 or 5 specialists, so each one wants the credit when the player does well.. or blames the player for the breakdown.. such as the nutritionalist blaming the player for not eating his fruit bar on the right hole. The swing coach, the putting coach, the mental coach, the trainer, nutritionist, the clubfitter, even the wife or girlfriend often claim some responsibility.

The internet allows me the ability to teach a wide variety of students across the entire planet which is really wonderful.
I don't really see it as being that limiting, because I can see what is going on in a video. Sometimes I might ask the student to re shoot a sequence or take from a different angle. Most of the time, if a player is taking a lesson, they end up in the video room looking at the screen anyway. I really don't feel I need to watch a player grind through a 100 golf balls on the range so that they think they got their money's worth. I can usually see something in about 5 seconds, so it's more productive actually to just send them on their way with this weeks new direction or instruction. Then we catch up the next week. I really don't like being held hostage on a driving range with a student asking me after every shank, skull, push, hook, block, pull, slice, fat or thin shot, then demanding a detailed answer for each misfortune. :roll:

I do teach occasionally here out back on my deck, with fresh air and a great view, and I can work closely with a student on their module work in person which is certainly beneficial.. and we can hit drivers or any club into the meadow below down the canyon. It's like a very private driving range free of the usual distractions which I find really wonderful. I like to play a round of golf with the student, and I can see and learn where their game is at, and they can learn a lot by watching me play and ask questions. I don't really like giving playing lessons, because I like to play myself, and I really do think they can learn just by being out on the course with me. I mean obviously things do come up.. but I don't believe in teaching the golf swing on the golf course.

As far as working with big name tour pros.. I don't rule it out... nor do I expect it. I could teach some of them a few things, as I know for a fact I can strike the ball better than a lot of them.. even playing just once a week. I find the proficiency of the typical tour player not all that impressive. I'd like to see a lot of them play a round of golf with persimmon and blades on a real golf course, not the treeless wide open polo fields with velvet greens they are all accustomed to... but a course where they actually have to shape shots and play a strategic game. Proper golf.

Who knows what the future brings.. if Steve Elkington found Sevam1 on youtube, anything is possible! :mrgreen:
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