1973 Haig Ultra shafts

1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby mrlek » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:37 pm

This is my first post though have come across ABS many times with great discussions and info.

Was wondering if anyone knows anything about reshafting these irons?
Ive read that some Walter Hagen models had an unusual tip size, taper but smaller than standard.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby jrich99 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:25 pm

I have a set of 73 haig ultras and the shafts are a nightmare to get out. I have read Maltby say they were threaded. At least they aren't pinned. I haven't successfully removed any yet. I wasn't planning on reshafting them, but the 7 iron shaft broke off in the hosel, so I need to redo all of them.
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby mrlek » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:06 am

jrich99,

I removed some shafts fom Macgregor VIP Limited split soles a while back and they seamed to have a kind of thread down the hosel. Not sure of this is the same thing.

It took a lot of heating before I could twist them out (though Im no expert). Wouldnt like to heat the Haig Ultra's for too long in case the plugs melted.

Hopefully someone else will have some more experience of this and the shaft tip size.
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby Ironsmith » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:59 am

I've got a set of 1970 Haig Ultras and I tried to reshaft them (they were 1 inch shorter than "standard") so I thought, no big deal, just replace them with newer stiffer shafts and all will be good. I took the 7 Iron first and had a hell of a time getting the shaft out. Add in the rubber insert that makes it look like a borethru and it really is a pain. After heating and heating I couldn't get it off. I just burned alot of the rubber insert. I ended up cutting the shaft down to about 3 inches from the hosel, clamping it to a vise while crushing the shaft flat and then twisting and pulling until I finally got it off.

Come to find out it has a "unique" taper size smaller than the standard taperered shafts. You will need to either taper bore them or bore them for a parallel shaft if you want to use a newer shaft. I had heard that Wilson had special sized shafts for the Haig Ultras and it is true. I don't know where you would find the rubber inserts to replace them with.

Needless to say, I didn't do the other shafts and now have a 7Iron head than needs to be bored and reshafted. Might just find a replacement 7iron and just call it quits. It's not like I have never reshafted/built sets of clubs before either. I have probably built 6 sets from scratch and reshafted 4 sets with newer shafts.

If I knew then what I knew now, I never would of touched them other than maybe putting in shaft extenders.

My advice, leave well enough alone when it comes to the Haigs. Just play them as is.
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby lagpressure » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:31 am

Yes, many of them are threaded. Often they can be screwed off. Some of the old Spalding's the same thing.
Lesson learned.. look for the ones with the red bands on the shafts... those will be stock stiff..(X really by today's standards)
Some of the earlier ones will be heavy enough, and my 62's came stock with no offset, and pretty flat also.. didn't need to do much to them.
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby macs » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:33 am

One way to get a stubborn shaft is to cut it flush with the hosel and then use a Tap set to go through the the bore thus eliminating the left over shaft piece by piece. best to with two step taps (makes it easier). Lots of elbow greese but wont wreck the club head.
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby lagpressure » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:49 pm

Welcome back Macs!
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby mrlek » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:19 am

wow, not an easy task by the sounds of things.

Was thinking perhaps removing the shafts with a fair amount of heat and then re-filling the plug holes with some other material such as epoxy - not sure if the bore goes all the way through though?

Re-boring for the standard shafts also sounds like a headache so may just leave alone as recommended.

Thanks fo the advice
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby NRG » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:34 pm

Those old shafts weren't designed to come out and at least a couple in the set always seem to be a nightmare to get out, sometimes the rust themselves in. Best left and find a set that already have stiff shafts imo, easier/cheaper in the long run.

Am pretty sure the bore will go all the way through, but it will step down at the end of the old shaft. Reboring for parallel shafts will require a pillar drill.
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Re: 1973 Haig Ultra shafts

Postby Ironsmith » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:05 am

mrlek wrote:Was thinking perhaps removing the shafts with a fair amount of heat and then re-filling the plug holes with some other material such as epoxy - not sure if the bore goes all the way through though?


Yep, the bore does go through all the way through but it is smaller than the hosel hole. Mine are the 1970 Haig Ultras. I assume yours will be similar. The shaft bottoms out on a circular edge then the smaller bore goes down from there. I think the idea was to take weight away from the hosel and allow the COG to be closer to the middle of the face. The older irons tend to have heavier/longer hosels so the sweetspot tends to be towards the heel. Technology ahead of it's time maybe?

You may need to put something down the bore/hosel to plug it before the expoxy can go in. Otherwise it would just drip down the shaft.

But yes, it will probably take more time/tooling to do a good job of it than it would be to just get another set with your specs.

BTW, I do love how those Haigs look and play. I wanted to make them my classic club gamers but being an inch short of "standard" made me want to reshaft them. What a mistake. At least I only pulled one shaft (7Iron) after a major struggle. I'm going to try to bore it to parallel and get it to standard length. I'll add extensions to the others and have a complete set to play (2-PW).
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